Put Down the Pitchfork, Joe

Monday, November 09, 2009

Yesterday on Fox News Sunday Morning, Senator Joe Lieberman (Idiot-CT) stated that so-called Islamic extremists should be tossed out of the military. Obviously, an Al Qaeda sympathizer should be kicked to the curb, but do we really want someone like Joe Lieberman deciding what brand of Islam qualifies as “extreme”?

Really, in the U.S. Army, this is not a matter of constitutional freedom of speech. If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have zero tolerance. He should have been gone.
I don’t hear Lieberman calling for the ouster of Christian and Jewish extremists from the military, even though it surely contains some of those. The 1996 Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta was perpetrated by a Christian extremist, but I don’t hear a call to expel that religious sect entirely.

I am betting this guy was crazy first and a Muslim second. Let’s put down the pitchfork Joe and wait for the adults to finish their investigation.

Source: Firedoglake

19 comments:

Smitty 2:18 PM  

I think all we know right now is that a guy went to a mosque that happened to be connected to the American Al Qaeda sect.

I don't think that means he was definitely fer sher in on it.

That would be akin to my attending mass at a church where the priest was eventually found to be a molester, and saying I was in on it.

Some people just go to their place of worship, roll out their mats, do their thing, and ditch.

So like you said, Bob, let's let the adults do their investigations first.

And if we're going to start to purge ourselves of "extremists," then I am interested in the definition of extremist, and am interested in whether or not the purge is omnibus, or targeted.

Smitty 2:19 PM  

Oh, I almost forgot:

Joe Lieberman is a complete fucking asshole.

steves 2:36 PM  

That guy had done all sorts of stuff before he went nuts. I agree that he was a nutcase first, a muslim second, but we should be careful with allowing people that have provable connections to terrorist groups, or groups that act contrary to the US, to be in the military. This would include Christian sects that call for the downfall of the US.

I will wait for the investigation to conclude. That being said, I fail to see the connection between the Olympic Park bombing and this incident. That guy was in the military?

Smitty 2:44 PM  

Beg your pardon, steve, you forgot the obligatory epithet for referring to Senator Lieberman.

Bob 3:42 PM  

"I fail to see the connection between the Olympic Park bombing and this incident. That guy was in the military?"

I was just making the case that Christians can be crazy, terrorists too.

steves 4:31 PM  

Lieberman is a class A douchebag.

Yes, there are crazy Christian terrorists, but I hate to say it, they are probably outnumbered by Islamic terrorists.

That being said, I don't think there is anything inherent in Islam that makes a person a terrorist, nor do I think Muslims should be placed under any greater level of scrutiny. I think that the talking heads and experts should shut up and let the investigators sort through this. This guy is still alive. I hope he is willing to provide some useful information.

I am perfectly willing to accept the theory that his religion was not the primary motivating factor, but it doesn't look too good at this point. That still doesn't mean that there should be some kind of purge. I don't know if anybody dropped the ball and this guy just fell through the cracks. In talking to friends that are currently in the military, it is my understanding that if you belong to any kind of group advocating violence towards the US, sedition, and the like (such as so called "Patriot" groups) and you talk about it, you can expect some attention from higher ups.

Oh yeah, Lieberman is a dick.

Bob 4:38 PM  

"they are probably outnumbered by Islamic terrorists."

While less active in this day and age, I would put the Klan and similar groups in the Christian Terrorist camp.

"I don't think there is anything inherent in Islam that makes a person a terrorist, nor do I think Muslims should be placed under any greater level of scrutiny. "

Bingo.


Joe Lieberman is a funcking asshole.

Bob 4:41 PM  

Now that I think about it, the Christians have perpetrated way more acts of terrorism against the U.S. than any Muslim.

Klan church bombings, lynchings, etc. are terrorism.

Mathew McVeigh - terrorist.

Eric Rudolph - terrorist.

U.S. Army Vs. American Indians - great big pack of organized, state-sponsored terrorists.

steves 7:29 PM  

I would put the Klan and similar groups in the Christian Terrorist camp.

A bit of a stretch. While the Klan used some religious justifications, their motivations were based more on racism than religion, IMO.

When I think of Christian terrorists, I think of the radical anti-abortion folks.

steves 8:53 PM  

Mathew McVeigh - terrorist

Who is that? Tim's brother? ; )

McVeigh, among other things, claimed to be agnostic, so that is a no go.

I am pretty sure Hitler, Genghis Khan, Pol Pot and Darth Vader were Christians.

B Mac 9:37 PM  

I think Darth Vader was actually a fundamentalist Forceian extremist. That, and he was the guy who said "this is CNN." Unrelated.

Joe Lieberman is punches dolphins.

B Mac 9:42 PM  

But Hasan was a fundamentalist Muslim terrorists with ties to al Qaeda, 9/11, the Black Death, and the cancellation of M*A*S*H.

I saw it on Fox News... so it's GOTTA be true.

Joe Lieberman burns puppies for warmth.

Mr Furious 11:47 PM  

Far be it for Holy Joe to let an opportunity to blow the Muslim dog whistle go by.

On FOX, any mention of Muslim is automatically equivalent to "Islamic Extremist," and Joe is simply fanning the flames.

I think we all know how I feel aout Joe.

Bob 8:54 AM  

"Who is that? Tim's brother? ; )"

DOH!

Oh well, all 'dem McVeighs are alike. Terrrists, every one.

Bob 1:27 PM  

"A bit of a stretch. While the Klan used some religious justifications, their motivations were based more on racism than religion, IMO."

Anyone who isn't a white protestant is on the Klan's hit list.

Monk-in-Training 3:59 PM  

A few notes to throw on the bonfire.

"Yes, there are crazy Christian terrorists, but I hate to say it, they are probably outnumbered by Islamic terrorists"

Perhaps, but Christian terrorists can be 'invisible' to us. What about the guy that shot the abortion doctor in Kansas recently, etc. What about people who bash gays, and beat them up? What about those people who yell at Muslim women going to the supermarket in their scarves? (definitely a smaller version of terrorist)

"Klan used some religious justifications"
While their bigotry was based on racial issues, they were and ARE laced with religious terms and imagery to fortify their hatred. There was a news program a couple of nights ago on local TV with Klan members discussing their viewpoints, and most of them connected with Christianity in a warped form.

Sen. Leiberman is at best confused
(Smitty, how is that for an obligatory epithet?)

Monk-in-Training 9:19 AM  

How is this for a Christian terrorist? Or at least an American Jerk? Just because the guy looked different, and didn't speak English well, he was attacked with a tire iron? I can post a link, if anyone is interested. (HT TPM)

Br. James Patrick

From the St. Petersburg Times ...

A Marine reservist armed with a tire iron beat and chased a man he thought was an Arab terrorist and even called 911 to say he was detaining the man, police said.
But the man he assaulted was actually a Greek Orthodox priest visiting from overseas who spoke limited English, police said.
...
Instead of offering help, Bruce struck the priest on the head with a tire iron, police said.

Father Alexios Marakis ...didn't want to press charges, espousing biblical forgiveness. ... His main worry was that he inconvenienced the others who had to care for him.

B Mac 3:17 PM  

Just because the guy looked different, and didn't speak English well, he was attacked with a tire iron?

(Don't make a joke about the South... Don't make a joke about the South...
Don't make a joke about the South...)

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