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Friday, September 26, 2008
I don't want to cover up Smitty's review. But just in case anyone wants to comment on the verbal ass kicking of an old geez... I mean, the DEBATE, the comment section awaits.
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I will comment after the debate. Since my computer is in my basement and I am currently typing on my phone, blogging ain't easy.
Here's the deal. This election is making me a nervous wreck. Every little thing is being scrutinized. I have also had like the 2nd most stressful week in my entire career this past week. I don't know if I have the energy or the blood pressure/anti-heart-attack medicine to even make it through the debate. On top of it all, I can't watch McCain without wanting to scream.
So far, I'd say it's Obama on the cards, but far from a knock-out.
"Using a hatchet when what we need is a scalpel"... = Good line
(And for the record, Obama was the first to use the words "orgy" and "swallow" in the same answer)
Did you hear that Smitty? You and your colleagues weren't capable of success in Somalia...
That comment made me want to vomit blood.
Guesses on the final score?
I'll go with Obama 14, McCain 10.
I think it's a bit wider; O 17, M 10. McCain's facial expressionare going to kill him, and that smirk...I wanted to wipe it off his goffy face.
Obama did a little better than I thought on some of these issues like Pakistan.
I am not sure there was a clear winner here because there wasn't a knock out quote to be repeated on TV.
That said, I think the expectation was that McCain could wipe out Obama in this particular debate and Obama did well, so he won the expectations game. Also, with McCain having such a horrible week, he needed something to take those stories off the TV. That won’t happen here.
Obama’s answer on the surge is getting better, but it’s not quite there.
As far as Smitty’s near coronary…I feel your pain. My heart was racing through the whole damn debate. I am not sure I can handle this election much longer.
Anyone want to knock some doors and make ourselves feel better?
Anyone want to knock some doors and make ourselves feel better?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA...
No.
If we're applying numbers: Obama 15, McCain 10. It was damned close, but Obama stayed cool and got his points across. 50 second sound bytes aid Obama and hurt McCain big time. Moreover, the sneering and shitty eye contact from McCain tipped it in Obama's favor. Bama looked presidential, McCain... not so much. Just partisan.
This is a very good sign folks. THIS is the debate that McCain was supposed to win handily.
As a closing note, this was a terrific debate. No squabbling over time. No finger wagging. No candidates crossing a chalk line. Just two adults stating their beliefs. After all we've seen, this was a breath of fresh air for Rickey.
Both sides are claiming victory and pundits are saying 'their' candidate won. Can anyone honeslty say this debate changed thier mind? I would guess that Obama supporters are still going to vote for him and the same is true for McCain supporters.
I think the expectation was that McCain could wipe out Obama in this particular debate
I don't see this at all. This debate was like Nixon/Kennedy. Obama has 10 times the charisma of McCain. Except for McCain fanatics, who thought he would win?
Not surprising, but I just persused a board that is mostly conservative and the posters are saying it was McCain by a slight margin. They seemed to think he stumbled a few times but kept the pressure on some of Obama's inconsistent positions. This guy from the Guardian gives it to McCain:
Well. This was clearly a much better night for McCain than many were expecting; after an unremarkable start, he appeared to find his ground on foreign policy, and delivered significantly more damaging blows to Obama than vice-versa; Obama missed too many opportunities, and was maybe too generous in many of his replies. Then again, various TV pundits are right now hotly debating the notion that McCain's dripping contempt for Obama -- and his strange, nervous grinning and chuckling, like some kind of chuckling maverick -- looked unpresidential, while the Democrat looked the part pretty much all the way through. Both of these arguments are clearly true. Which one triumphs?
A win for McCain, I'd say, especially given the expectations. But not a decisive one, or a knockout, by any means.
The good news (from my dirty hippie liberal point of view) is that the actual polling done after the debate had Obama winning comfortably.
I saw a few polls with McCain winning.
Here is what some in the media said:
Fox McCain
CBS Obama, but close
NYT Obama, but close
Wash. Post Even
Time Mag. Obama
CNN Obama
Wall St Journal Even
LA Times Even
I thought it was pretty even. Both had their moments. It is funny to read people's takes. On some conservative sites I read, there are plenty that think McCain just waxed the floor with Obama. I wondered if they saw the same debate. On the flip side, I thought the same of the people that seemed to think that Obama just stomped McCain.
"I thought it was pretty even. Both had their moments. It is funny to read people's takes. On some conservative sites I read, there are plenty that think McCain just waxed the floor with Obama. I wondered if they saw the same debate. On the flip side, I thought the same of the people that seemed to think that Obama just stomped McCain.
I still think it was pretty even too. Most polls said Obama did slightly better, but most polls also said that Kerry did better in every debate against Bush.
I think some people feel compelled to say their candidate destroyed the competition as if saying they did better will somehow make it so. I prefer to be a little more intellectually honest about it, especially when posting at ATK.
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